After a quick look around NA I notice you are all conquered by UnGd or mL allready. Either way, best of luck to you..seems like you will need it.

For one Aladar and WuXing, I will defend doc in the sense that you were absent for many an era. There for in that essence you gave the line of passage to the title of leader to the next most abled body, which in this case was Doc.

Also, no offense to your leadership, but we seem to be doing pretty well under his command, we are now higher in alliance rankings than ever before, we are more coordinated, and stuff is actually followed through with. The communication with in the current alliance is much greater than it was in M2 with your leadership. Now none of this is meant to bash on you, I am merely presenting the facts.

As for taking our crystals, our core (the majority of our colonies) have within each colony almost the entire power of your entire "guerrilla" alliance, there for, working together like we have in the past against attacks. There would be little chance of a success if your alliance went it alone. especially seeing how most, if not all of you are already conquered and spread so far apart.

As for our ties with mL, it is truly based of respect for one another, and yes, we happen to control most of NA, because we work together and communicate, like with words and such.

So here I make my final statement, Underground has come a long way since you have been absent, and it has been extremely good at doing what it does. Therefore, rant and rave all you want about how "we stole the name" or "We are impersonators" or what ever it shall be, but because of the people who stay from when you left, the alliance has become exponentially stronger.

When you guys want to spout off BS, consider that I dont even need to say anything new to prove you wrong.


That is the first post that I made to you guys after learning you were rejoining BD. In fact, you made a link to that forum thread... Interesting...

The date on that post was Jun 18 2009, 07:12 PM

Lets now pull a post from you WuXing, from the same thread.


Date of that post, Jun 20 2009, 03:45 PM (note, before the 4th of July "UE thing" as I am calling it, what Aladar did to nuke UE's relics)

Now lets quote Aladar...

Date, Jun 26 2009, 04:53 AM

... need I say more?

As for the name "Aboveground" it was intended to be a slightly ironic and humorous way of saying that we are above you. Your comment, WuXing, "Aboveground would be a great sub alliance." is just another piece of arrogance that you have repeatedly shown.



Isnt it interesting how those players are all loyal to me?



Umm, what?

By the way, the quotes that you took from me are entirely out of context, and are actually separate points altogether. I dont know what you are trying to say by it, but if anyone wants to see for themselves (I dont blame you if you dont, this topic is hardly worth anyone's time) then check their forum links that they provided.

Last point here for this post (it is WAY too long already, sorry guys!) TheFoxyShortBus is the very person that got me into your alliance back in the day. Look at who he supports.

Oh gawd, this is GREAT.

I just got a message from one of my members, a transcript of a message that Aladar (UG Commander in the game) sent to him.



You know, I started out with this kind of pissed off, now I am just thoroughly entertained.

What makes you think that my members will listen to you over me? Even the ones that came from back in the day are with me on it.

By the way, I am talking to SnowMan now, and he says "I didn't asked to be leader.. I've been a leader for about 3-4 era's before this one.. the last 2 in a major alliance.. i just want my peace and quiet time now.. and so does my gf.. lol" and he continues "But I'm charmed about the invitation tho "

So here is what I can see so far with this... you guys dont dislike my alliance, you just have a personal vendetta against me because I was a little bit too rough on your ways of using multi-sub alliances of inactive newbs who wouldnt follow orders even if you did it for them with your fingers on their keyboard and mouse. Oh, and there was your obsession with crystals being power, not actual units, or conquers, etc. Plus there is your tendency to attempt to lie cheat and steal to get ahead, and I dont like that style of gameplay, or forum writing. Lets also not forget your absolute lack of diplomacy with your neighbors, and when I do commit myself to diplomacy you call it brown nosing to get allies.

You know, I could keep going, but then I would just be flaming, so I will stop now.

I will leave this post with an honorable and reasonable request for you to stop bugging my members about your personal vendetta against me. They dont need, or want, the spam that you are sending them. I have made it clear to them that no matter what, so long as they dont backstab us on the way out, any of my members can leave the alliance with out a single unit being sent against them by my orders. In fact, I will specifically order my men NOT to attack anyone who is leaving the alliance.

Funny thing though, not a single member has left... I have lost a few members because of inactivity, mostly because of the problems with updating BD (having to clear cookies and cache every update). I have also kicked one member because he was only causing trouble for us, and I gave him multiple warnings.

You see, this vendetta of yours is going nowhere. I wouldnt even call it a civil war like you do... This is like the old days when it was us vs. GML... no way we were going to actually hurt them, but we thought we could. At least I moved up a level in that metaphor. By the way, Ive talked to Tabula a little bit, he seems like a cool guy.

Oh gawd, I kept talking when I said I wouldnt... ok, pressing submit now!

I think Doc Hobo has done an excelent job running the UnGd alliance..
Rank 5, I mean right there is the proof. He's not just a spoof.

There is an edit feature these forums have you can use rather than double posting your spam. Spare me your attempts to spin this into a vendetta issue. These issues that you have created for your self have nothing to do with how much I like you or how well your doing in e1. When I read your posts I get the since that you are trying to build a case for your own creditability with the current success you have run into. I also feel you are talking down to us as you explain silly remarks made about "aboveground". Clearly it was obvious that the joke was countered by my own sarcasm, declaring any alliance created by you would be a sub.

I do in fact like your alliance as it is the alliance we left behind in Battle Dawn. You have done well and have secured a place in the top 10 just like we have trained you. You speak or honor and reason as if you stake some claim to these words. Every thing I explained in my messages is true and you have shown that. Whats funny to me is here we are responding to a topic you created trying to explain the truth and when challenged, you resort to making snide lil remakes like you anyways do.

Now that you have not only turned your back on the founders of the alliance you where left in control of. You make threats and rude comments here and in private channels as well. Then the worst part of it is Your here in the public trying to regurgitate the same key points while trying to appear superior in wits and in BD experiences. Things like name dropping hoping to gain support from the friends of friends is something we did not teach you. If your going to spin this topic which you created into a "reference thread", I remind you we the underground had been playing BD 545 days before you and your witty buddy even showed up. And in the true underground we would handle our internal issues internally with out doping names.

Edit: However that is not the case here and we are taking steps with "respected player name here" in order to remove you from power in the UnGd. As you know we will continue this war where and when ever. I do not have any shame when it comes to taking volunteers for aggressive actions against you. And yes Doc there are ppl lining up with nothing else to do than see you sweat.

Edit again: Again this is not a personal matter. This is a war between members of the same alliance both claiming leadership rights for the underground flag.

Ok, excuse me for not editing when there was an entirely new point and new happenings. My bad.

I dont have to build a case for my credibility, anyone who has played with me knows that I play, speak, and write honestly.

As for talking down to you, I cannot honestly say that I am sorry. I feel that your pursuit of this matter is petty and has no reasonable basis for ridiculing yourselves for, or even trying to discredit me by fabricating lies, especially when your own references dispute what you are saying about me.

I know that I can be abrasive, and you have known that for quite some time as well. Get over it.



Yes, I do make snide remarks, not because I cant back myself up, but because what you are claiming is absurd and (once again) you disprove yourselves.

Once more though, quit being so arrogant as to believe that you trained me. I learned the game while I was under you, but not by your help. Once again, get over it.



I demand a screen shot. Once again, I am abrasive, get over it, but threats? Is it really a threat when you started a war against me? I feel that to be what happens in war... Excuse me if I am horribly mistaken.

Now I must remind you, I dont care how long you were playing before you left. You left. You never became successful in the same way that my alliance has. Need I say once more? Get over it!



Let them come with microscopes and magnifying glasses, the only liquid they will see is from when I give a hearty laugh, spraying my drink of choice (usually mountain dew) in their faces every time you speak again.

To say that we did not train you is just crazy Doc. Being a new player at the time you first joined us, you asked countless questions and discussed strategies and tactics with many of our members and leaders as time passed. Yes you have taken your experiences, knowledge and training making it your own finding Doc's style yes.

Doc has the support of "respected player name here". That would be me!

Thank you cbuzz

WuXing...
Train, verb: to make proficient by instruction and practice, as in some art, profession, or work.

Thats from Dictionary.com

You did not instruct me. I looked into the game guide (wish there was one for the new client btw) and I learned these things myself. Just because I was with you guys when I learned it doesnt mean that you trained me. Get over it.