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Pagan · **Joined:** Sat Mar 20, 2010 12:52 pm **Posts:** 67

my apologies for double post but was too late to respond to allen in the same post

"If you stop every time a dog barks, your road will never end."

put in simple language, just for you Allen, i will not respond to your insults, it is not worth my time

mfreak · **Posted:** Thu Aug 18, 2011 1:14 pm

Hey listen, Its not my intention to insult you or anybody else on the forums. I simply was harsh to you because you make a fool of yourself, blaming NO for complaining. And you made a fool of yourself,not because you are a fool but because you came here with an agenda to talk us down and completely missed the points that were being discussed. Stay with me on the issue that is being discussed, then you will definitely be respected. Take a cheap shot whenever it seems to suit you best, then obviously you wont be.

Now, I know Admins have to keep the game alive, populated and active and keep the game unbiased. I never contested any of those points. I never said Seth was acting biased. I never questioned his intentions in a negative way. I simply said that interfering in what ingame mechanics we use is NOT keeping the game alive, but directly influencing something that happens ingame, which is not what an admin should do. Battledawn is a product, whatever features that come with it, should inherently keep the game alive. The admins need to only monitor whatever is going on and how players play the game and ensure that the game is being played in a fair way.

Now as for the outposts, GF planted outposts and one of our members took it. Seth banned him for farming the same day, and did you see us here on the forums crying over how unfair he was or whatever? Turned out it was 5 outposts in all, so even if it was farming I dont see why anyone should make a big deal out of it. And if you are talking about it, then you are indeed being a drama queen.

Whoever said anything about our relative weakness compared to you ? Yes you have a good roster, and you are all good players, no doubt. Yes you started tick 1, we started tick 300, and had to take your infrastructure out of NA to control the continent. Our income is far less than yours, while you control most of the resource outposts in the world, so obviously we will be weaker than you guys. It's a pretty obvious thing, and nothing out of the ordinary. But when we are talking about something totally different, you come here and state something that is totally not connected with the issue at hand - like for example holding Seth responsible for our relative weakness. I mean are you even serious? Where did you read in any of the posts before where we said - "Seth you are very biased and you are being partial to gift and it is the only reason they are powerful". Did we say that? NO we didn't. So the next time you get on to comment, read what is being discussed, show some respect for people, understand the issue at hand and only comment on what is being discussed without attempting to take a meaningless and pointless snipe at someone. Then you will be treated properly and answered with respect.

aviturg · **Posted:** Thu Aug 18, 2011 1:38 pm

@ Juno:

let me put it in an easy way, and not get into insults.
in order to explain why we are wrong, you are using examples that shows exactly why we are right.
farming is illegal - Admin acted as a refree and punished.
Sharing accounts is illegal - Admin acted as a referee and punished.

those are great examples for what admins should do.

Admin thought that he should give relics to specific alliance - WRONG ! not admin's job !

Now we are not complaining about you being more powerful. When we built our colonies, you guys had 18,000 points and controlled about 90% of resource ops, and also had tons of crystals which are also great source for income. We were very aware of that, and still decided to jump in.

does it mean that we have to accept everything now because you are stronger? what does it have to do with anything?

you wanted to wave with the fact that you are stronger? great... how come we are still alive eventhough you keep solid 14k points more than us? and dont tell me "NAP", you wanted it more than us, and with your power you should have finished the job before it.

Pagan · **Joined:** Sat Mar 20, 2010 12:52 pm **Posts:** 67

well, Allen, i do not believe a made fool of anyone else but for NO for coming to forums and complain about loosing 50 apcs more than they could had if the relic was in reach of your nukes, all posted and defended so fiercefully, one would think it was the end of the world... that makes you drama queens

as to the GF, it was not only one NO player and not only one GF player and not only 5 OPs ...

and telling us how you got control of NA, do not make me laugh, you did that by taking OPs of two of our members who had few squads there just opportunistically taking the area, while we were engaged in taking the Asia... it is rather sad to see you actually believe in taking the area we chose not to defend as an achievement... it is rather pathetic.

you as NO achieved absolutely nothing, when we were fighting AD, you only took the ground that was not occupied by us, since then you made no progress and as far as i can recall, it was you asking for a NAP...was that because you were gaining grounds so fast :O?

face it, all you were ever able to do, was to group up and hold ground and you used other 2 alliances to fight us so you could hold that ground; they did more fighting that NO ever had; in addition you were consolidating crystals and disposing with members of several alliances... all this is normal, we seen it before done in despair by losing alliances, but let's name it as it is.. you achieved absolutely nothing ...

please just crawl back to your hole and play "let's make pretend"

Pagan · **Joined:** Sat Mar 20, 2010 12:52 pm **Posts:** 67

aviturg wrote:

@ Juno:

let me put it in an easy way, and not get into insults.
in order to explain why we are wrong, you are using examples that shows exactly why we are right.
farming is illegal - Admin acted as a refree and punished.
Sharing accounts is illegal - Admin acted as a referee and punished.

those are great examples for what admins should do.

Admin thought that he should give relics to specific alliance - WRONG ! not admin's job !

Now we are not complaining about you being more powerful. When we built our colonies, you guys had 18,000 points and controlled about 90% of resource ops, and also had tons of crystals which are also great source for income. We were very aware of that, and still decided to jump in.

does it mean that we have to accept everything now because you are stronger? what does it have to do with anything?

you wanted to wave with the fact that you are stronger? great... how come we are still alive eventhough you keep solid 14k points more than us? and dont tell me "NAP", you wanted it more than us, and with your power you should have finished the job before it.

my apologies again for double posting but i guess i just have to deal with flood of NO fuming

well, Seth only banned the farm not any of you guys... hence, i do not follow your thoughts there Avi ...

secondly, we still do not control 90% of resource OPs after taking SA and AA, which makes your argument a heap of rubbish, well, may i describe it better....as a sore losers moan...

why you put blame on admin for your failure of not doing better?

you are still alive because you had "then" alliances no 2 and 3 doing your fights for you and still not making any progress. Those 2 alliance do not longer exist, you do because you asked for a NAP.

Ilona · **Posted:** Thu Aug 18, 2011 2:24 pm

Juno,

I'll give up. *bow*
Your way to "not complaining" and "not to whining" is really not to top.

Pagan wrote:

please just crawl back to your hole and play "let's make pretend"

Ah okay...

Sometimes its really better to say nothing at all.
I will lock this topic now as it goes out off topic and there is no need to start trolling like this.
The topic was : well balanced relics, you remember?
If you want to keep on argueing about NO and allies, feel free to do a new post.

Regards,

Seth · **Posted:** Thu Aug 18, 2011 2:50 pm

Final word.

I am chalking this one up in the "you cant please everyone" column.

It seems to me that the only ones complaining are the ones in the NO alliance, more or less becuase it was not easy enough for them to capture that relic. Yep. That was my intention. To make one out of 10 of them hard. I could have just put it in the center of the map like I was going to do initially, but then they would be in here complaining that I gave GIFT all of the relics. /shrugs This is not the first time I have placed one hard relic on a world, and probably will not be the last. You might complain that it was too inefficient for your taste, but if I had not done it, I would be in here responding to a complaint from someone else who would say that I made it too efficient for you. You are just taking the more selfish approach.

As for the "the admins shouldnt bla bla, that is up to the devs. If it isnt coded in, then you shouldn't do it.". Well, I hate to burst your bubble on that argument, but it IS coded in. We have tools given to us to make judgement calls and customize relics as we see fit. That was coded in and was intended to be used. I don't regret what I did. I guess I just regret that you can never please everyone.

I am sorry that I didn't make it easy enough for your taste. But, if I bent to the will of a few pissed off players every day, I would never get anything done, and we as a whole would never make any changes at all.

No matter what an admin does, there is going to be a few people who are unhappy with it. Just so happens, today, those people are the NO alliance.

Be well, and thank you all for playing.

well balanced relics?