i told you, psycho were really making mistakes of course, but you cant denie he was a great leader at the first of the era, we were organized we were making plans for each war, and all of that was thanks to him, and maybe yes he did wrong in things like kicking his friend m1tro just for chrono to get his crystals and conquers (thats was very wrong and still i think m1tro is great because he have no hardfeelings and he just got over it and now he is in 420).
but psycho were who defended haven of chrono when chrono wanted haven out of the alliance,,, well thats how haven pays.... and yes he was kind of pissed off every time he logged in on the last days, i also was like whats going on with him... but thats not a reason for betraying your partners, thats a reason to ask him to change like we did with chrono, he was a pure bastard when he came into the alliance, now even if some complain about him (members of BO) you have to admit that he changed a lot, that alliance were like a tv show, you remember the chat, and if i said in a mass about ppl trying to leave, i didnt do it to rat you, i did it for psycho, maybe like that he would have open his eyes and change like he was at the first.... well, i just have to say to shadow, you sold yourself for a spot in a winning alliance next round.... just lets see if you win next round or you'll get our flag under you

not ratting us out was a betrayal in itself KrLoS you knew what was happening and stood by while it unfolded, only once it was too late did you say anything.
I CAN and DO deny him being a great leader, i work in good alliances, and a good leader does not regularly go 33 ticks offline, a good leader dictates how to fight a war, Psychos entire stratigy for fighting SOTO was: "Attack SOTO" or 'Lets fly 12 ticks straight into the centre of the enemies hive, with no radar coverage, all at different ETAs, and then go offline for another 33 ticks then come back and curse at people in the alliance for not watching his back. if you look I was the one who made it so that we actually advanced constructively in that fight, you ask Shadow, me and him were there for about 20 ticks+ taking Ops and advancing on SOTO the way you are supposed to.
Not only that but as a leader he lacked Backbone Chronologic relocated out of the hive and was going to betray us, he still allowed him back eventhough he had told him 3 times before he was on his last warning. in private he said he would stop people from trying to solo alliances and get killed however he never actually did this, he just kept his mouth closed. (or fingers still whatever).
Insted of asking what he did wrong, to which i have just given specific answers, along with examples. why not tell me what he did right, give me a specific example ,which actually happened and was none of my doing or of somone else in the alliance, in which he made himself a great leader.

i would like to point out anyone can say "attack this alliance" that is not what makes a great leader.

But as you have already stated... KrLos had ratted you out. Or did I misread something? In my opinion, KrLos did the right thing. If you take it from a purely objective stance, The Dissenters (betrayers) are the ones who are truly in the wrong. Don't get me wrong... I'm not siding with Psycho, who has done wrong in the recent past, but from an objective view betrayal is JUST AS BAD, or perhaps (depending on your view of justice and fairness) WORSE than name-calling.

Though... admittedly, you could argue that Psycho's name-calling could be considered a betrayal of friendship/trust. To which I have no argument against.

But keep it short, you had other options. You could have left in a better fashion. For example, simply leave. Join 420. *THEN* make battle plans. There is nothing unmoral about leaving an alliance that you are unhappy with. I do/would find issues with you attacking them before they even knew what happened.
That's my perspective on the issue.


That *IS* an effective battle plan. [/sarcasm]



Dang... That's a long time just to kill lil' ol' us. ::flattered::


You have my full agreement, but then again...

KrLoS Psycho didnt defend me. If it wasn't for Guess Who he and I would both be gone. I feel bad about the following people losing this era...
Guess Who
Psycho
I would have felt bad for you had I not given you the choice of coming with us and had you not spent this entire time whining. ITS BEEN 2 DAYS. KrLoS your whining wont change anything.

@Essence: Psycho is not that bad a leader. He was not that inactive. The main reasons I left are the following and I feel that I have posted them before and probably multiple times.

1: Chrono, you tried to buy an era. With that bag of tokens came an ego that was just not fun to play with. I found myself arguing with him almost every time I got on. I play this game for fun. It's not fun when I have to spend every day arguing with Chrono.

2: Soloing. How many people lost their armies soloing? Chrono, Yousef, Batala ne others? Regardless that is 3 of 12 members! That is inexcusable. This comes after Essence and I tell you guys to wait for everyone else to come up with you. But you guys get greedy and your egos are so big that you have a huge case of "Superman Syndrome." Newsflash no matter how powerful you are or how many tokens you spend an era will never be handed to you. I was surrounded in that alliance by ppl who were growing inactive bc they thought we were going to win, they got greedy and tried to solo so they would advance in score but only ended up losing armies. I figured you guys would stop once you realized that you would just lose your army but Chrono was still soloing.

3: No Teamwork. Their were breif and beautiful periods of teamwork in coordination that showed BO's potential for instance when we took out LOB and when we attacked SOTO in the NE. But for the most part there was no teamwork. Soloing continued. Ppl would not defend other's OPs. Shadow's entire army was being hit by a nuke and Psyco refused to ion it bc he didnt want to lose energy and oil even though he had 13k oil at the time.

4: Inactivity. We were growing steadily inactive. With the exception of Guess Who we were still active enough to win the era but we were growing more and more inactive so soon we wouldnt be active enough. Just look at what happened to NWL on F2 the era that BOO won. They were rank 1 by about the ame distance as BOO but then three of our top players went over a week inactive. Guess Who was off for over 50 ticks consistently. He literally sat almost the entire era with his troops on his colony.Besides when he oOo GAVE him their 100 xtals what has he done? NOTHING.

5. Betrayal of Allies. Chrono tried to get Psycho to betray everyone and he succeeded on the most part. We attacked FFOM when their score dropped even though they were allies just bc their score dropped. Chrono tried to get Psycho to betray 420 and BOss. In the last 200 ticks of BO's reign BOss was marked neutral bc their score dropped. You lecture about loyalty but BO as an alilance showed absolutely none. Psycho trieed to manipulate allies into attacking each other!

6. I don't like losing. Noone likes losing and I am not the exception to that rule. If you give me the choice between dying or 1st place I GARUNTEE the majority of the people given that choice will choose 1st place,. I am no different from them. This would have went down with or without me. I chose the winning team. Had I stayd BO would have still been overrun due to 420 having their entire armies in our hive and ppls inactivity and the fact that ppl had their shields down. I mean with the exception of Psycho who lowered his shield vito, Guess Who, and Jig Saw were all offline and Guess Who and vito both had their shields down and noone defended Jig Saw. That is how it would have been even if I wasnt with 420. As evidince by noone defending eachother when BO fell. Everyone gave up hope. I didnt. I mean I left 8 ticks after Psycho and Vito fell. My betrayal was not the cause of BOs downfall. I just abandoned ship like Terror, Shadow, and others did. If you notice there are more then 3 ppl missing from BOs ranks in fact I believe that there are 5 who left. Tho they dont need ne credit since I should get it all.



KrLoS didn't fully rat us out. He just alerted the alliance that there were "radicalists" who would go as far as backstabbing the alliance and that Psych needed to step up his game. He never gave out our names. You can't blame him he was torn between friends and alliance. It was a situation that I dont think neone else has ever been in and it was a tough one. KrLoS decided to stay in the alliance but hoped he could convince us to stay however he never even messaged me saying nething besides talking about how 420 sucks and BO was going to win and how Chrono was going to give us tokens. All of these points he made were invalid so none of us listened to him.

A) Chrono was not going to give us tokens. Chrono promised b4 this era started he would give us tokens and did not give us ne, Chrono promised to give us tokens to take him back into the alliance and he gave us none, Chrono promised to give us tokens next era and.... you do the math. Its not too hard to figure out that he wouldn't gve us any.

B) 420 don't suck. They just need organization and coordination.

C) BO wasnt going to win the era. 420 was going to take us out. Just look who was right me

KrLoS knew everything we were planning for 2-3 days before it happened, he knew of the plot to have 420 attack, to leave and attack BO, who was involved, when it would happen, to me that is withholding vital infomation (as prooved) so yes i would say it was a betrayal, he betrayed Psychos trust when he did not tell him. he told him 2 mins before me and shadow left.

About my other options. i could have left and joined 420 normally i agree, and its true i could have, fairly confidident i would have as BO had 2700 units without me shadow and haven and 420 had well over 5000. i dont deny this was a betrayal, the reason i did it was because this way we were not stuck on their sheilds for ages, 420's activity (which is extreamly good compaired to what i thought) would have nothing to do with it. this was the simpler way, if you wanna make life difficult for yourself then go ahed.

20 ticks was 40 ticks my bad, and that was in 1 sitting before i decided to suicide lmao (my internet died, it was my fault because i wanted to dodge at the last seccond)

I dont even know who Arthur miller is, but i do know Sun tzu said that "War is deception" and thats what i did. so i can live with the better tactician of the two.

Haven~
About Psycho being a bad leader i disagree with you, however i am used to playing with players such as real emperor as a leader and Mitsuki, and they are much better than average i guess.
Chrono -> any good, self respecting leader would have kicked him long ago.
Soloing -> if the leader had no control he is bad and whats more he never tried to gain that control.
Teamwork -> again, the reason there was no teamwork was that the leader never gave any specific orders, the only time we managed to form a stack was when i was giving the orders because Psycho was offline.
Inactivity -> this was nothing to do with Psycho.
Betrayal of allies -> entirely psycho's fault. he is the one with the say of who we attack...

im not saying it was only psycho at fault by any means but as he is the only one i am arguing about i am using examples that cover him.

Again i ask for an EXAMPLE of him showing he was a good leader, and concrete evidence of this. ive got my evidence by the way we killed SOTO and lost 7000 veh while doing it, due to bad planning etc.
I dont have any quarrel with anything else though Haven, and ofcourse everyone has their point of view
sorry for the long post.

@Haven The BOss Situation.. They were a test onc ei saw betrayal it was MY decision to mark them Neutral I was shamed of them. Anyone that knows BO knows that SOTO was our subs last time you can ask their leader that..

@KrLoS/Essence: I obviously got careless in the SOTO war.. I lost hope seeing you guys soling like noobs. So i said ATtack. Essence if you would have been there for most of our wars you would see i was welll organized.

I was going through stuff in real life why i logged in i was losing myself. i have messages saying i have changed..

Maybe.. Maybe Not.

Oh and the FFOM situation.. they knew i held a petty grudge since they were pests to me the era before that was nothing.

420 did the backstab and kent already knows and has accepted his faith in the future.


Essence is "Retiring"..

Haven and Shadow.. You guys.. very much dissapointed me. At least i knew me and Carl been fighting since last era. this fight will never end until one of us "Retires" (Supposedly Essence)

I respect all of you though. It's a game. BO was outsmarted this time...


Next time we will fix all of our mistakes and cover the missing links.

This Experience has done me great and I'll only come back better..

Be ready.

~PsYcHo

None of You can hate KrLoS.. He's a great player and member. It's establish we will meet again in the near future. He deserves all of your respects. He is a man of Honor which yes indeed got him killed but like we said earlier before we died...


"Die a Man... Or Live a Coward..."

I respect KrLoS's desision ofcourse i do. i never said i dont like him, he is a good player and was by far the best player after we killed you.

I did not solo, as i said before my internet went down when i had incoming around 30 ticks from the enemies hive.... not like the others you included who went 5 ticks from the enemies hive then went offline.

Also you said nothing about having stuff in real life, if you had then i may have been more understanding, but then again you were the one always telling me never to let my emotions interfere with the game.....which i never have.

I also remember you wanting to attack Disider, AFTER he had joined 420 because of a petty grudge, if you remember i managed to talk you out of it.

"At least i knew me and carl had been fighting since last era" you got that right :p we have never really been friends after all last era i gave you command for 10 ticks and you died in 6 ^^

Yes i am retiring, im doing to because i am going to do work for the summer with a player named Outtrages, you may remember him. if not then look for him in RoL on E3. working 8am till 6pm monday to saturday, hard manual labour, so ill be tired when i get home. i think ill come back after the job is finnished however.

And ill be ready for you.

Also little tip, when you have a little extra to say.... use the "Edit" button, just looks neater lmao

Carl~

Read my reply on the first page of the other topic. It's at the very bottom.

Essence that was not entirely Psycho. It was more the alliance as a whole. Chrono is the first one to suggest the attacks on ALL of those people and players like Vito, Batala and yousef backed him up and Psycho succumbed to their peer pressure and allowed it So the entire blame is not on Psycho. He just did what the majority of the alliance wanted so it was the plaers in the alliance that were the ssue ie batala, yousef, chrono, and vito ect.

Teamwork does not require good leadership. Players in any functional alliance must work to gether without their leader. The leader cannot be on 24/7 and even with the best leader of all time if the alliance members dont work together then the leader wont be able to get them to work together. With Chrono Psycho did kick him however then he took him back in under the assumption that he was going to give every player tokens however I recieved no tokens.




I never said I hate KrLoS. KrLoS has my respect. However I just said that I do not feel bad for what happened to KrLoS bc it was his choice. Psycho you had no choice over the matter and I like and respect you however for the reasons I previously said I had to go and that is why I feel bad for what happened to you this era. Guess Who I feel bad for bc he is a great guy but inactive and now this has happened to him twice bc of me. (Actually only once 4 was never a betrayal I never passed information bobby was the one always passing info I just tested bth alliances and joined the one I liked better tho I mean if you want to give me more c redit then I deserve I wont complain.)

Also I added onto my reasons since I was typing them at school and ran out of time.